Five on a HYOOOGE PCD on oldies, four on newer.

You could buy a hacked up bug anywhere, but to take a cimos dyane back to holland would be pretty unique, you'd be able to be proud of it and you'd know more about keeping it on the road. A dyane will be considerably nicer to drive and a squillion times easier to work on and maintain.

If you knew of the contempt I hold for the vw then you'd probably applaude my restrain and level headed, considered reply.

Here's the less considered and restrained version:

if you buy the beetle you'll be forever cursing it's piss-poor handling, it's infuriatingly bad design and it's unbelievably inefficient engine. And that one looks like one of the village people commisioned it as a runabout for thier trips round the boutiques of San Francisco.

You were never going to get a *true* unbiased opinion...

A friend of mine is a hardened VW owner/enthusiast & currently owns a 1967 split screen van, a 1972 1300 Beetle & a 1994 T4 transporter. The amount of money he's poured into them is scary - it easily runs into tens of thousands of pounds. He's previously owned 1986 Daihatsu Fourtrak, V*uxhall Nova GTE, etc

He's admitted to me on more than one occasion that the 2cv he had a brief dalliance with was by far & away the best car he's owned! A car that cost £800! If a VW enthusiast can admit that, i think you know what to do!

shame it ended up like this:

Am I right in thinking €2500 for a modified beetle is cheap? I mean, really, really cheap? I thought ropey beetles went for that kind of money?

Buying the bug for the soft top doesn't really make sense, the dyane's a soft top too...

Neil, what sort of speed was your friend travelling at, when he hit the dog?

I will say, about 6-7yrs ago I was approaching a major crossroads with traffic-lights with two cars over to the middle of the road, waiting to turn right, the lights were on green, so they were waiting for on-coming traffic to pass, I saw a nice clear road and so continued straight on at 30mph...Into an Astra coming the other way, turning right She just didn't see me Anyway, the 2cv's front near-side corner was crumpled, but after a quick tug on the wing & bumper, I continued on my way(after getting her details). 2cv is fine ...Tough B@s@rd of a car

"Dog" is the guys name.

If you look in the background of the first picture you'll see a mullered garage. He left it on the hill, just on the handbrake, went inside to make a drink, heard a bang & looked out the door to find his 2cv had run away! All the garage's in that block were shafted & had to be demolished!

Everty time I hear this it makes me laugh. A poxy little french tin can causing the demolition of an entire block of council garages...

He wasn't flavour of the month in that road, let me tell ya! Irrate people that couldn't get their bikes & cars out of their garages to go to work, etc. How it missed all the park cars on it's way down the hill, i'll never know! Especially that 3 series Bimmer!

Ah, I was wondering what size/type of dog could of done that kind of damage D'oh!

Another vote for the dyane.

Even the mice in my wardrobe are voting for the dyane.