It is all about the look for me. My van attracts a lot more attention on the roads than it did before.

As neil said it does take more concentration at times. And you sometimes have to be slower through fields etc. Ideally i would like another car. One stock, one low.




Each to their own i guess.

Bingo.

I just love the fact that it's so ridiculously low, and I do love how it looks when its right down. I loved watching it drive about like that. It is a novelty for sure though.

You just should have seen last summer the "roads" i drove with the NES Ami 8... No problem at all. I do have other original ones to satisfy my need to them, but i just need the Ami. NEED! It´s the best one to drive here, Etelä-Savo.

Ken, what works on the track doesn't on the road, surely? And v-v.

Plus 125 Xs with their soft sidewalls and U-shaped X-section were not intended for racing - a Firestone with its much tougher sidewall is better suited.

Personally, I alter my dampers (slightly heavier oil) and bump stops (more progressive, sooner acting) as well as dropping the height just a little to make a 2CV handle very neatly indeed with a pair of 135ZXs on the front.

But if the cars on the video are standard height, suspension and tyres, I think it says it all - they are going v v well!

Re the front arm camber, yes more body roll is more wheel angle, but things are more subtle than that... the front end needs to be able to grip sufficiently to give the rear wheels some work - too much bite, too quickly and the rear end can't grip well enough and the rear end becomes loose. Too little, and the front end does all the work, scrubbing off speed and ploughing on. Get it right and the car is neutral, both ends gripping well through corners. This is where the camber of the front arms, ime, comes in (given tracking etc. correct). Positive camber and the front end can't generate sufficient grip to generate enough cornering force to feed to the rear axle. Zero is the norm, just a little negative increases the front end grip hugely...

On top of all that, there is the interesting business of torsional distortion which steers the rear axle in the same direction as the front, different from one chassis to the next...

As we all know, modern front drive cars are made to handle neatly at moderate speeds by having rear axles which distort on rubber bushes to turn the wheels in the direction of travel - nasty things which alter their cornering characteristics according to vehicle payload, cornering forces, temperature and age. A Peugeot (and to a slightly lesser degree, PSA Citroens) feels to just think its way into fast bends, great when roads are good but less so on varying surfaces and poor foundations.

As regards the comments above about taste and beauty in the eye of the beholder, some guys like the look of women who, to them, appear to look as if they will perform well. With silicone implants, tummy tucks, etc. Others look beyond the obvious, for signs they will perform well and continue to do so. At least we can try out each others' cars to see...

The whole 'look' of a car thing has come from the west coast of America, which (I'm guessing here) came from the hotrod scene. Just bizarre when we have the roads we do and even more so when a Citroen is about as far removed from a hotrod as it's possible to be. 'Cool' implies something goes about its business without looking disturbed, surely - how can a car which tiptoes around grids, jars up and down and can't corner fast ever be cool?

So, thinking logically, is this whole 'cool' look actually meant to be ironic, implying a good sense of humour? Just as a bodykitted muscle car can imply 'small penis' to many, what does a lowered 2CV imply? Am I missing something? Looking like you're in a mean machine with 29bhp?

...this type of woman, amusing for a few minutes..
versus this type, good for a lifetime and probably better in the sack too...

It is an opinion.

It's all a matter of what you like and don't like, some people might hate marmite (like me) and other's like it?
Its all just personal taste
And what you do with you car is up to you, as long as your having fun And on the plus it's in a 2CV.......

I don't think Michelin designed any of the tyres 2cv racers use for the purpose they get used for, Firestone aswell. (I've just rolled a 4th 125 firestone off the rim today, the most pathetic excuse for a tyre I've ever seen!)



Exactly what I've done, although I dispatched with the bumpstops altigether, they just serve to get in the way, the chassis hitting the ground seems to work well enough.




Oversteer is fun.




True.



My car can corner fast, and it rides fine, certainly better than most 'normal cars' I've had. I don't think it hurts for folk to take 2cvs and do as they wish with them, the day every 2cv you see is standard will be a sad, sad day. You might aswell jack it all in and buy some tragic 'classic' car like a Herald, at least, That's what I'd do if I wanted to see fields full of identical cars. The whole ethos and point of 2cving is surely that each one is an extension of the owners personality?




If you don't like something the answer is simple, don't do it to your car!

oolong, i take it from the smiley next to the Beetle picture that you think it's 'cool'? as you say - Beetles do get lowered for visual appearances & there are a lot of Volkswagen enthusiasts that are truly appalled when they see a slammed barn door van or a split window Bug. You then go on to ask about whether the 'cool' look is 'ironic' and so presuming that you thought the Beetle was 'cool', why can't a 2cv with a similar look also be classed as cool? so what if it only has 29bhp, a 1200cc Beetle has what, 38bhp? To me it's the freedom of choice - i love my standard height 2cv, but i love the positive attention that driving a low one generates. By driving 2cv's we are different, some people choose to stick big camper converisons on the back, some people use mud & snow tyres on the road all year round, some add GSA engines & 5 speed gearboxes - all these things will alter the way a 2cv handles. I bet there's a fair few people out there that have never pushed a 2cv to it's handling limits, infact i bet exploring the limits has no interest to them at all... 2cv's don't have the customising history as a Beetle does, but a lot of the styling cues can be carried over to create a fresh looking ride. Lowered A series are always going to be in the minority & that's fine by me, but there's no doubt that the amount of lowered/modified cars is on the up & with it bringing fresh blood into the scene. There's certainly a few people that cut their teeth on cal look & resto cal VW's back in the late 80's & early 90's after coming out of the UK custom scene, these guys who were once running around in V8 pop's & the like are now diehard VW fans, some even make their living from serving the scene & are turning out concours restorations. The people that are lowering their 2cv's today could well be the guys that keep 2cving alive!

Exactly my thoughts. There were some, hmm, interesting ones at Most with regular hight. So for me, it is just great to see the variations of 2cv´s, that seems to pop up to the roads every now and then. Just amazaing how differently can people see that car and build them.