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Post Re: Help - total clutch failure.....maybe????
The graphite has to be about 1cm thicker then the metal ring where in fits in (wenn I remember right this has been about 15 years ago for me), maybe you only see the metal holder??

Other options are:
Metal ring has left the clutch fork
The axle from the clutch fork is dislocated (I don't believe that the axle can break)
The clutchfork is bended or broken (if seen this several times (bended and one broken this is a possibility)
Combination from all this..............

Please let us know what the reason is... bon chance[/quote]

Thanks for those contacts Geo. i can see that the graphite has worn down to the metal holder!!! in 2 years!!!! i need to oil it more maybe????

metal ring is still in place and the fork is okay, but i will see if the fork 'axel' has come out at either end - i seem to remember it is held there with a screw, so shouldn't be.

I will let you know when i've split the engine / box....cheers

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December 8th, 2010, 7:04 pm
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I will take care when i lift the engine from the box - thanks for the tips Ventflaps...hopefully it will all be okay. The biggest labour is getting the front off to get the engine/box apart

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Willami wrote:
Do I need an alignment tool to replace the thrust bearing? Will


Not usually. You only need the alignment tool if you remove the clutch plate from the flywheel. But if you're a bit ham-fisted and unlucky when separating the engine from the gearbox it's possible (but not easy) to knock the plate out of alignment, in which case you'll need to loosen the clutch cover set screws to allow the plate to be re-aligned and then re-tighten the screws. The correct tool is best (the one which comes with the Valeo kit is a simple blow-moulded bit of plastic and does the job just fine), but in the past I've used thick wooden dowelling or even just carefully measured all round to ensure concentricity. I've also played my luck and aligned visually on some cars, but it's not something to be done by choice as it's easy to misjudge.

Clutch alignment is to ensure that the hole in the middle of the clutch plate into which the gearbox input shaft locates is located dead-central. If it isn't, you can't fit the gearbox back on. Don't forget to clean the input shaft splines and then smear a very small amount of Copperslip grease onto them before reassembly, too little is far better than too much.

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As clutch changes go, the only one I've ever done which was even easier was on 1.1 and 1.3 engined Allegros, but they can be done with the engine and gearbox still in the car.

Although Ami front ends are a bit more complex than on my 2cv, I've yet to work on a car which had an easier to remove engine. Unless you count the Beetle I once borrowed which self-ejected the engine onto the road surface in a matter of seconds on the M23 one evening...

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December 8th, 2010, 9:50 pm
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Ventflaps wrote:
self-ejected the engine onto the road surface in a matter of seconds..

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

cheers VF...

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Ami front ends aren't as hard as all that to remove. All I did was unbolt the front panel and the bonnet, leaving the inner and outer wings in situ.

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Easier than a dyane, I think.

Best thing to use for an alignment tool is an old input shaft from a scrap gearbox.

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Easier than a dyane, I think.


Mehari...

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Best thing to use for an alignment tool is an old input shaft from a scrap gearbox.


I've always had success lining it up by eye, using just a big screwdriver to move it.

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Sometimes the end of a socket wrench (or one of the extenders) also fits.

But I've always got an alignment tool with the replacement clutch-kit (valeo)

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Thanks guys - i'm fairly certain it's only the thrust bearing gone - it's right down to the metal basically, so the noise was metal on metal

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I would check the condition of the clutch though. Now the engine is separated from the gearbox it would be a good moment to change the clutch and pressureplate when worn.

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