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Author:  blackjack [ June 9th, 2011, 6:03 pm ]
Post subject:  New Track Rod End Seat Cups in Delrin

I'm just having some track rod end seat cups made in Delrin to the same critical dimensions as the standard Citroen part. Cheaper to replace every few years than a pair of track rod end lever arms at £122.

Does anyone want any? £12 for a set of 4.

I could get them done in phosphor bronze but they'd be twice the price.

Author:  socarco [ June 16th, 2011, 3:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Track Rod End Seat Cups in Delrin

I'm interested in a set.
Can you send to Italy?
Normally I receive stuff from the UK via "small packet" without problems.
s/Jack (socarco)

Author:  blackjack [ June 19th, 2011, 1:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Track Rod End Seat Cups in Delrin

Surely can - don't know what the postage will be though. Should I find out first?

Author:  socarco [ June 23rd, 2011, 12:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Track Rod End Seat Cups in Delrin

Please check post. Should not be much use "Small Packet, no sign for"

Author:  blackjack [ July 3rd, 2011, 8:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Track Rod End Seat Cups in Delrin

I'm still waiting on these from the machine shop - I asked them to slot the job in when they had some down time to keep the price low. Sod's Law meant that they got busy shortly afterwards.

It'll probably be next week now and I will get them out to everyone who has said they wanted a set.

Author:  4x4 SuperFinn [ July 3rd, 2011, 10:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Track Rod End Seat Cups in Delrin

What is Delrin?

I looked it up on the web and got Polyoxymethylene.

If it is better than original I'm interested but can I get a bit more info about why and why use it.

Author:  blackjack [ July 4th, 2011, 11:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Track Rod End Seat Cups in Delrin

It is a dimensionally stable, hard plastic with high abrasion resistance and a low coefficient of friction.

The reason to use it is that currently available pattern steering arm balls are worn out very quickly by the hard steel bearing cups (someone will jump in here and tell me I'm wrong of course). At £100 to £120 per pair this is not good.

I could have them made in phosphor bronze - they would have a longer life but be at least twice as expensive.

I would prefer to produce a bolt in replacement for the steering arms and track rod adjusters based around high quality M14 rose joints but that would cost me about a £1000 in design costs, laser cutter programming and tooling. The kit would sell for around £150. The kicker would be that replacement rose joints cost around £8. However, my experience of doing this sort of thing is that whatever 2CV enthusiasts say at the time, when it comes to pony up they won't pay that sort of money for non-standard parts.

Author:  Little Louis [ July 5th, 2011, 12:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Track Rod End Seat Cups in Delrin

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However, my experience of doing this sort of thing is that whatever 2CV enthusiasts say at the time, when it comes to pony up they won't pay that sort of money for non-standard parts.


Irony...4x4 owner.

Might be interested, as I've already had to replace one side.

Author:  Joolz [ July 5th, 2011, 1:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Track Rod End Seat Cups in Delrin

blackjack wrote:
It is a dimensionally stable, hard plastic with high abrasion resistance and a low coefficient of friction.

The reason to use it is that currently available pattern steering arm balls are worn out very quickly by the hard steel bearing cups (someone will jump in here and tell me I'm wrong of course). At £100 to £120 per pair this is not good.

I'm not going to say you're wrong, but I'll add this bit of food for thought. Speaking to my local engineering shop, he says that is is his experience it is often the harder surface in a bush or plain bearing that wears fastest. The theory being that any dirt that gets into the joint embeds itself in the softer surface which then acts as an abrasive against the harder surface. What happens in the case of an immaculately clean joint I don't know. But I do know my balls are going oval!
blackjack wrote:
I would prefer to produce a bolt in replacement for the steering arms and track rod adjusters based around high quality M14 rose joints but that would cost me about a £1000 in design costs, laser cutter programming and tooling. The kit would sell for around £150. The kicker would be that replacement rose joints cost around £8. However, my experience of doing this sort of thing is that whatever 2CV enthusiasts say at the time, when it comes to pony up they won't pay that sort of money for non-standard parts.
Now that sounds like a good idea, ;) .

Author:  blackjack [ July 5th, 2011, 10:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Track Rod End Seat Cups in Delrin

I think there's no doubt that the standard bearing cups are MUCH harder than the balls and I've seen plenty of them gone oval but I've yet to see a set of bearing cups that show any visible wear. I have heard people say that the cups were originally to be made in phosphor bronze but cost cutting measures meant they were done in steel. It also had the fortunate side effect (for Citroen) that it was then the more expensive part that needed replacement.

With regard to dirt damaging the delrin cups or getting embedded and scouring the balls!!, you should have a gaiter on there - but pump grease in regularly and it'll help push the dirt out.

In any case, at £6 per side you can change them yearly to avoid them acting like an abrasive. If I had a couple of hundred made up then that cost would come down to about £3 per side.

The rose joints also deteriorate due to corrosion and ingress of road grit (you just can't get away from it) but they are also a cheaper fix than the standard Citroen set up.

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