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Author:  Sean [ May 18th, 2011, 4:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Helicoil Strength

Thought id do a test.

I took a used Cyl head fitted a helicoil to the exhaust guide oil feed hole.
I used a new, dry, solid M7 8.8 bolt with similar thread engagement to that of a banjo bolt, fitted it to an oil union hex (with a steel washer for the correct depth) and torqued it to destruction using a deflecting beam torque wrench to gauge the strength.

I tested the thread in an inlet bolt hole in a similar way.

Result
The original thread torqued up to 10ftlb(13.5Nm) it then held that torque for 4 revolutions of the bolt as the thread progressively failed in the head. (The main force of the bolt is taken by the top few threads. As they shear the strain is passed on to the next coils and so on, it is a progressive failure untill there are no threads left). You can see below that the thread has unwound from the inside of the hole.
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DSC00206 by Sean602, on Flickr

The helicoiled hole took 14ftlb(18.9Nm) untill the torque remained stable despite further turning. At this point I took the joint apart and no damage could be seen to the thread. I reassembled and gave it a further few turns at which point the bolt sheared. There is slight damage just visible to the alloy at the start of the helicoil where the distorting bolt has pulled up the first coil of the insert, but as is claimed, the coil insert moves and the strain is distributed through out the full thread engagement. A much stronger joint.
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DSC00208 by Sean602, on Flickr

What is worrying about the results is that the original thread could be hiding damaged threads as each time the banjo bolt is tightened more of the thread is damaged untill there is none left. Also the Haynes manual gives the torque figures as 10ftlbs for the banjo bolts ensuring that damage almost certainly occurs each fitting, especially if the threads are oiled

Sean

Author:  Nelsthebass [ May 18th, 2011, 6:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Helicoil Strength

Well Sean, I have to say that is well anal! (Bloody good work although what do they say about the devil and idle hands?)

Author:  Gas Mark 5 [ May 18th, 2011, 8:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Helicoil Strength

So would you recommend helicoiling the threads as 'preventative maintenance', or if you've got a good head can you get away with reducing the torque figures and checking the threads?

Is the damage to the thread visible until it completely fails?

Thanks for this! :)

Author:  Russell [ May 18th, 2011, 8:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Helicoil Strength

I reckon this deserves stickying.

Author:  Sean [ May 18th, 2011, 8:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Helicoil Strength

see thats the trouble its not obvious and its cumulative( it gets a little bit worse each time), every time the banjo bolt is tightened as per haynes(and the factory manual) a little bit more of the thread is damaged.

Ive always maintained that you need to reduce the torque by about half especially as the threads are usually oiled and so there is more clamping force for the turning force applied to the bolt head.

There is always a degree of error the test was done with an old Draper torque wrench the type thats a long bar and a pointer that points to a scale at the handle- not the most accurate of devices.

im certainly not adviocating that you helicoil the threads in the heads, more that you just need to nip the copper washer (anneal them even when new) i use a normal ring spanner and medium hand pressure, then nip it if it needs it during first fire up.

Sean

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