@ viking
no
nothing to hide more than happy to let anyone look over my car and work

to the point that when i weld up a shell i simply paint the repair, rather than hide it under filler
im rather proud of the fact that i can but weld 0.5mm steel and grind it back almost smooth

as for the mechanical side too many cars gone off on numerous 24hr races and only crash dammage to sort(bloody drivers! motor racing would be so much easier without them).

To the rest of the forum

my original post was no critisism of Viking simply stated that having one person posting up a how to giuide with no facility for feedback or amendments may be counterproductive to the aim and against the whole ethos of a forum, where EVERYONE is allowed a voice and can participate...and that is usually where the best information comes from

@Russ
you got to accept it mate! its generally a great forum and the reason its great is because its lively, folk come in and folk go off but more usually stay ( think there has only been one occasion where someone and presumably their alter ego, dissapeared in a huff never to return roundabout the slamboo/boz time)

sometimes the behaviour on the forum has been juvenile and on more than one ocasion i have bitten my tounge as some crap from a 2nd hand source has been thown at me in some attempt to belittle, it says more about the inteligence of the person doing the flinging ( having a wee green animation aint going to change it). but when im wrong im wrong - see jameswallace's timing and the test bulb

i make mistakes im pig headed, but im also educated and intelligent and welcome , what in an achademic world, would be termed "peer review". you make a statement, you hang it out for scrutiny and you listen an be prepared to change your view on reflection of the debate

sometimes you hang out a contentious view just for the debate

would be a sad little forum about stupid little cars otherwise

Sean

Good post Sean.

So, am I wrong to ask for this idea of Vikings to be taken up with a mutual agreement to disagree? Is that asking for more trouble?

I've not talked this through with the other mods yet, but I will. The way I see it is either;

A. We don't have a 2CV School thread, it's too likely to cause upset and slanging matches.

B. We have it, written by one person only, locked once published, so as to be unquestionable.

C. This is a crazy idea I know, but how about we have it, anybody can contribute, but they have a bizarre and unheard of mutual respect for each others opinions? Couldn't that work? Instead of seeing any suggestion, opinion or contribution as direct personal attacks? I don't know, but maybe folk could work together and get each other to proof read things for each other prior to publishing? Is that just me being stupid?

Best suggestion yet. Delegate the task to a handful, then publish topic locked.

1) I really don't think you can publish anything written by one person that is then locked and is unquestionable. And that isn't an attack on one individual I'm simply pointing out that that isn't how it works. Anything will always be edited, subjected to re writes, peer reviewed etc. It has to be for the information to be correct. Everyone will be walking round with misconceptions, or have gotten into the habit of doing something in a particular way because it works for us. In fact there may well be a better and faster way of doing the job.

2) If you go down the route of having instructions that are set in stone are there legal implications? Having something that is set up as the definitive word is a whole different ball game to the current structure where it is just a load of people chatting together and exchanging ideas. We live in a litigious society.

3) Is there really one individual who is head and shoulders above everyone else at every aspect of maintenance and restoration? I’d have thought that to get the highest quality you’d need a collaborative effort. At the moment you have that.

4) I like the current system of ad hoc peer review. Anyone and everyone can put up a how to guide and it will get read by those who have experience of doing the job already and perhaps even more importantly get used by those who’ve never done it before. They are far more likely to pick up the subtleties as they will actually follow the instructions. That seems to be inline with the ethos of a good forum.

And it is a good forum. I like it the way it is. It works; very well in fact.

See that dog DA? That's you that is. [/quote]

Not to worry, O-N; I have plenty for your leg too


A forum without differences of opinion would be a very weird place. Quite unnatural. As 2CV owners, we are almost as diverse as the general population out there - and are bound to see things differently on occasions.

Strikes me, tho', as if there is pretty much complete agreement that the 'workshop' is a cracking idea. The main bone of contention is whether each article should be a closed shop or open to comment, additions, corrections, hints, warnings and possibly even the odd anecdote if it's relevant.

I'd, personally, much prefer the latter as I believe it would build a bigger picture of the task concerned. But I'd be happy to see the 'main' instruction part of the thread to be under the individual's control, with other people's inputs added afterwards. Then the author could decide (as I'm sure they magnanimously will) whether to update the main article.

Let's discuss - with no personal comments, please.

(O-N, you are a complete b'st'rd... )

In common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who, given a certain argument, takes a position he or she does not necessarily agree with, just for the sake of argument. In taking such position, the individual taking on the devil's advocate role seeks to engage others in an argumentative discussion process. The purpose of such process is typically to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure, and to use such information to either improve or abandon the original, opposing position.

Lets move a bit forward. What about the King Pin Tool post, anything wrong with that? If yes, what?

The next one I would like to do in the same way is Steering rack overhaul. If someone want to by all means do it. This is NOT about me but the end result where DIY's can take on the job and feel good about a job done.

Y'know those are the very words my dear old mother used to say to me...ah well, at least I'm not one of those internet Cults.

Just read it again Peter and about the only thing I can see missing is a detailed view or explanation of the order of the thrust washers. Seen so many get this wrong. Even seen set put at the top of the pin.