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you did do it by marking max advance and timing it at 2.5-3k?

not just used the static point and strobed that?

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February 28th, 2010, 6:45 pm
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I did it how it says in the Haynes tick over and get the marks so they align is this not the right way then?

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Chris,
maybe consider that as your starting point, then go forward from there? ;)

< http://www.flickr.com/photos/30132857@N ... 5/sizes/o/ >

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Chris 2cv wrote:
I did it how it says in the Haynes tick over and get the marks so they align is this not the right way then?

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March 1st, 2010, 2:13 am
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Thank you Ken I will have a good read of that and see what I can teach myself :)

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March 1st, 2010, 2:17 am
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Chris,
this pic might be of use as well.
The mark to the left is the 'static' mark.
< http://www.flickr.com/photos/30132857@N ... 2/sizes/l/ >

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Thank you Ken I will have a good read of that and see what I can teach myself :)

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March 1st, 2010, 2:42 am
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18 min to 2 :shock: do you ever go to bed?

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March 1st, 2010, 7:53 pm
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ken wrote:
maybe consider that as your starting point, then go forward from there? ;)
< http://www.flickr.com/photos/30132857@N ... 5/sizes/o/ >
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ken wrote:
this pic might be of use as well.
The mark to the left is the 'static' mark.
< http://www.flickr.com/photos/30132857@N ... 2/sizes/l/ >
ken


Thats great stuff Ken, I must admit timing with a strobe has always been a real mystery to me, once I learned how to set points using the static firing point and a tent peg I just always did that, as it worked fine and I could never see the point of mucking about with a strobe light.
You've really got a knack for explaining though because now I actually get why it is done and also how - great. I love the little white marks like a rising graph between the static and full advance points, nice touch! 8-)

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March 3rd, 2010, 11:52 pm
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Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:42 am ?

Not that bad, considering I'd met up with some old friends visiting from Canada and there'd been a lot to talk aboot... :roll:

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18 min to 2 :shock: do you ever go to bed?

sean ;)

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Chris,
there's really nothing new about the concept of setting the timing at full advance, since that was what we had to do on motorcycles fitted with a magneto.
( Yep, almost half a century ago. :cry: )

For starting, or when lugging up a hill, the little lever on the handlebars was pulled back to retard the timing and if you forgot to reset it, the only downside was that the bike lost most of its 'get up and go'.

As far as I'm concerned, the 'pin in hole' method was fine for the early Citroen engines because they're rather understressed, to say the least.
On the other hand, maybe 50% of the engine problems I've seen over the last 30? years of dealing with 602 engines can be attributed to someone making a poor job of setting up the timing, then not noticing or ignoring the sounds of protest the engine has made as it was beaten to death...

ken

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...to set points using the static firing point and a tent peg I just always did that, as it worked fine and I could never see the point of mucking about with a strobe light.
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ken wrote:
Chris,
there's really nothing new about the concept of setting the timing at full advance, since that was what we had to do on motorcycles fitted with a magneto.
( Yep, almost half a century ago. :cry: )

For starting, or when lugging up a hill, the little lever on the handlebars was pulled back to retard the timing and if you forgot to reset it, the only downside was that the bike lost most of its 'get up and go'.

As far as I'm concerned, the 'pin in hole' method was fine for the early Citroen engines because they're rather understressed, to say the least.
On the other hand, maybe 50% of the engine problems I've seen over the last 30? years of dealing with 602 engines can be attributed to someone making a poor job of setting up the timing, then not noticing or ignoring the sounds of protest the engine has made as it was beaten to death...

ken

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...to set points using the static firing point and a tent peg I just always did that, as it worked fine and I could never see the point of mucking about with a strobe light.
Chris


Agree but if you ''re-educate'' folks about the advance weights, static setting is not a problem at all. I have never used a timing pistol on A models and don't have any problems with the engines I service.

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