It is strange that they did not find anything at the time - all around him were cheating and getting caught - David Millar etc.
Isn't there a shrine to a British cyclist on a mountain climb in the alps who actually died trying to climb the hill high on a cocktail of drugs and caffine. Shouldn' t that be removed.......

I also find it strange and not quite sure how he managed it... but then again people like Millar only got caught because team Cofidis (who are always involved with bloody doping...) got caught and Millar, who was an important part of their team at that time, had his house (I think in Biarritz) searched and found some syringes, phials etc... I think he says he had wasn't doping at that point and had kept them as a souvenir as he always struggled with the morality of doping... But it has been a while since I read his book and I can't quite remember!

What I meant by that was Millar didn't actually get caught whilst he was riding - and if Lance's operation was as technical and advanced as USADA is saying that it was, then I can believe that he didn't get caught

I also think that he is a arrogant, cocky tw*t, who I think definately would dope, win then brag about it in multiple books and I hope he gets ruined legally if he admits to it...! But that's just my slightly harsh opinion

I used to race bicycles for many years and have been to see him (yes there was 200 odd riders around him) on the tour. The site of him climbing was impressive - the one I will never forget is him looking back at Marco Pantani (who was on drugs) and just pulling away from him as if he was stopped. If he WAS on drugs they must have been very special things and I believe he was stronger than most without them. Just my opinion
Also I have searched on internet at exactly what the method etc they used... and how they got away with it for 7 years after he and his team pissed tested after every stage on the tour.

Tom Simpson, who died in searing temperatures on Mt Ventoux in 1967. I don't think it should be removed ... you have to view Simpson's doping in the context of the times, when it was something virtually everyone did with much less stigma attached. Simpson was also, in part, a victim of the Tour culture, part of which was the cafe Raid, where riders would fling down their bikes, dash into a cafe and grab a bottle or two of the nearest thing to them, then rush out without paying. Tom did this at the foot of the Ventoux and managed to put away about half a bottle of brandy. On top of the amphetamines he'd taken, the high temperatures and the fact that he was already pretty dehydrated (drinking water while exercising was viewed as a bit cissy back then), this was enough to finish him off on the climb up the mountain. There's some footage of it on YouTube somewhere, and very harrowing it is too.
Tom wasn't the first, though: a few years earlier, another cyclist had very nearly died in exactly the same way. If you want to point the finger at anyone, it should be the organisers of the Tour at that time, who failed to learn the lessons this near miss should have taught them.

Tom Simpson, who died in searing temperatures on Mt Ventoux in 1967. I don't think it should be removed ... you have to view Simpson's doping in the context of the times, when it was something virtually everyone did with much less stigma attached.

How can you say that!!!!!!!
In Lances's time think of all the people who got caught. If it was the norm than why this big fuss now many years afterwards - Do we put shrines up to all the druggies that are out there.......

I have seen the footage and it is not nice but nobody held a gun to his head to take drugs. Watching footage of Senna, Marco Simoncelli etc is more harrowing as they were in the wrong place at the wrong time

Well, it's true enough. You've only got to think of Anquetil pulling a fistfull of pills out of his cycling jacket pocket and scattering them on the table in front of a collection of astonished journalists, barking "do you think we can do what we do on salad and mineral water?" to know that.
It wasn't so much that doping was excusable back in the day, just that for various reasons (not least because hydration was a very poorly understood science) it was pretty much the only way to do what was required on a race like the Tour. Simpson was much more a victim of his era than anything else, and it's very easy to judge him from the relative comfort of the 21st century, knowing what we now know about doping in professional cycling. As I said above though, you have to judge him in the context of the times.

Back in those times doping was not illegal, so they could not be thrown out or banned. It was just a little unethical and bit more dangerous as in Simpson's case.
But this guy denied for so long and built his whole empire off the back of it. As others have said, he is not a nice person either - he is solely responsible for destroying a whole decade of the Tour de France, luckily a race that is bigger than him and has survived.
It will be a good year this year and I look forward to it without hearing about LA.

Drugs are still out there - didn't somebodys brother get kicked out last year, also isn't the winner from some years ago coming back after banned for drugs. Maybe this year they will catch Wiggo?????

List - half way down - drugs were banned in 1964 isn't that before 1967


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_do ... in_cycling

It depends what is listed.... EPO was not illegal as nobody new it existed and unable to detect it. As soon as it was detectable it was on the list... Goes for a lot of them...

It will clear itself up, it is what we hope for, if not then there is no hope. Trouble is, that cycling is its own worst enemy as it does so much drug testing... Shame they don't do it in football or other high profile pro sports...might make for some good news

One reason why I particularly don't like Lance is because of his "absolute hatred" of doping - in all his books he talks about how it's the worse thing like totally ever dude, blah blah blah... So if he now admits to doping then I think that's worse, not only because he was cheating but he lied to a point that is miles away from just trying to cover it up.
Also, unfortunately we do - look at when Winehouse died!
I agree but mostly because of the two examples you have used. Was watching when Marco got hit and it was fucking horrendous...Hear hear
I personally have no problem with people coming back after serving their punishment - like when Vinny won the road race in the olympics this year, I was happy that it was him - although I'm not happy with Contador but that's just because I don't like him!

I also agree with most of the things RT said