Haha! As a newbie, I've had so many of these arguments about vw buses. Some things never change...

Can you produce any Citroen documentation that shows any "small van" with a 602 from the factory? Or, even, any M4 later than the late '60s when the AM B and AK B were launched?



Aren't they just a '70s thing?



Yup.

So - what chassis numbers would a '70s AK250 have, if a '70s AZU250 is AK AP and a '70s AKS400 AK AK? Given those technical differences, Citroen would certainly have differentiated the chassis range.

It's one o' them CV2 D*lly things, innit? A red & black one?

AZU vs AK
2CV vs 3CV 602 is not a 2CV but 3CV

According to the info I’m sitting on is that

Direction Departementale De L'equipement Française, asked Citroën Belgium to build an AK 250 based on AMI 6 chassis with 602 M4 engine.
These AK 250 were made between 1974 and 1978. Maybe only sold in Belgium and France. I am not entirely sure if this is correct but it is apparently coming from the head chief Vincent Beyaert.

Yup, and the AK350 parts book I've got says "3cv fourgonette" on the cover.



In the '60s, I can buy that. No problem at all. Let's face it, it's exactly the sort of thing Belgium would have shoved out, no problem - just look at the AZL3. But in the '70s?



Despite the M4 lump having gone out of production seven years earlier? Let's face it, the M4 wasn't exactly one of Citroen's high points, so why they'd have resurrected it...? And why not an Ami 8 chassis?

Viking, the van on the 1st page you refer to as a AK 250 is the one you started a thread on as an AZU:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=715

Like Adrian says - i find it hard to believe that they'd use an M4 engine when there would presumably be no shortage of M28's lying around the place. I'm not discounting what you say, merely trying to understand.

I think it's easiest to say that if Sam is looking for a van, he's FAR more likely to come across an AZU250 (little engine) than the AK250 that Pete knows of. It's far more likely he'll end up with an AKS400 or an Acadiane, as these are probably the two better vans to have, with the M28 and 602cc, they are far more useable than a small engined van. I've always believed the Acad along with the Ami8 are the two most developed A-series variants.

For the record, I've always been lead to believe that it's AZU250, AK350 and AKS400, but I'm not in any way qualified to say that's fact.





If you had any sense, you wouldn't buy an AZU250, an AK350 or an AKS400. You wouldn't even buy an Acadiane. You'd buy one of these:

To be fair, a very high number of 250s - especially if they've been in the UK for long - will have been changed to "normal" 602, and there's a fairly good chance they'll also have been swapped to disk brake. Same with 400s. The aerodynamics are a bag of underpants, and there's a load more weight. You need all the help you can get to get it to go and stop.

Low roof vans are better if you're wanting something to cruise on a motorway in.
High-roof vans are better if you want something to sleep in - and not just because 350s are rocking horse and 250s too short to be anything but a lousy camper...

Acads are "better" than a 2cv van in the same way that a Dyane's "better" than a 2cv. They're more competent, at the expense of some character.



AMI SUPER FOURGON VITREE!
Excuse me one second.
<reaches for kleenex>

Ah, that's better.

Yes indeed the first upload is AZUB according to the CT. It was to show what an AK 250 looks like. They are identical in looks.
Forgot to mention that my friend in Normandy have an AK 250, I’ve just spoken to him on the phone and he reads from the Carte Grise AKAP 1977 435 machine. I have seen this car and I wrongly believe that it is a pure AK 250.
Maybe the 602 M4 is for Belgium only.

Heard today about an Ami Super service van not far from here. Going to see it at the weekend.